Psychedelic Somatic Interactional Psychotherapy with Saj Razvi

On this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Joe Flanders interviews Saj Razvi. Saj is the Director of Education at the Psychedelic Somatic Institute (PSI) and one of the primary developers of the Psychedelic Somatic Interactional Psychotherapy (PSIP) modality. He is a psychotherapist and former clinical researcher in the MAPS Phase 2 trial of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. He is faculty at Mind Medicine Australia and taught PTSD studies at the University of Denver. Learn more about Saj on the PSI website.

(3:52) Saj's background
(6:50) The power of cannabis to help with the psychotherapy process
(9:00) Psychedelic therapy is complex and an art form
(13:25) The trauma roots of treatment-resistant mental health conditions
(15:39) PSIP vs insight-oriented therapies
(24:18) Psychedelics and working at the somatic level
(27:55) White paper on PSIP
(29:24) The default mod network and entropic brain
(36:38) How the nervous system self-corrects the effects of trauma through a 5-stage defense cascade
(53:30) Avoidance and shame
(57:30) Selective inhibition
(01:08:44) Inside and outside the window of tolerance
(01:12:20) Working with trauma is about relationship/attachment
(01:16:45) Joe's experience with PSIP
(01:26:25) Adaptive vs maladaptive responses to stress
(01:36:00) Cannabis and working with dissociation in trauma therapy
(01:43:35) "Cracking open" stuckness in psychedelic therapy
(01:46:20) Cannabis vs ketamine

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Self-care strategies for the psychedelic therapist

On this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss self-care strategies for the psychedelic therapist.

(1:30) Self-care vs self-indulgence
(3:02) Why is self-care a necessity for therapists
(6:05) The therapist is an important part of the setting
(8:45) Managing the long sessions typical of psychedelic therapy sessions
(11:40) How much of this work can a therapist handle?
(13:18) Staying attuned when the client is still and quiet
(15:00) Modeling good self-care for clients
(17:45) Logistical support for the psychedelic therapist
(19:19) What Reid and Steve do for self-care
(23:50) Signs that you need to improve self-care
(26:26) PTF episode on burnout
(30:32) Balance between cutting slack and self-discipline
(33:22) How to care for yourself during a long psychedelic session
(35:30) Get supervision

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Music for psychedelic therapy with Jon Hopkins

 

In this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers Podcast, Dr. Joe Flanders interviews musician & producer, Jon Hopkins. Jon has been producing music for over 20 years. He's written six studio albums and has produced albums for Coldplay & Brian Eno. His album Singularity received a Grammy nomination for best electronic dance album in 2018. His latest album, Music for Psychedelic Therapy, was written as a soundtrack for ketamine experiences. Joe and Jon discuss Jon's motivation to write the album, as well as his meditation practice, the role of music in psychedelic therapy, and the Ram Dass lecture that formed lyrics to the album’s powerful closing track. Jon also shares how ketamine played a role creating the Music for Psychedelic Therapy album.

(2:50) Jon's process for making the album, Music for Psychedelic Therapy
(7:05) The importance of music in psychedelic therapy
(10:10) How new technologies help artists create immersive music
(12:00) Wavepaths: music for psychedelic therapy
(17:18) What was Jon processing personally while making this album?
(22:40) What is healing about the beauty of being in touch with sadness?
(29:23) Joe's ketamine experience with Jon's album and how Jon used his own ketamine experiences to compose the album
(42:26) The song, Sitting Around the Fire, and using music with lyrics for psychedelic therapy
(52:44) The drawbacks of smartphone use and push notifications
(01:00:00) The music as medicine concert series and how it's different

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Essential qualities and skills of the psychedelic therapist

In this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss qualities and skills they think are essential for therapists who provide psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. They cover the following topics:

(1:15) Introduction to the topic
(3:21) The art and science of psychedelic trip-sitting episode
(3:44) The value of the podcast media platform
(6:27) Women Food and God: An Unexpected Path to Almost Everything, by Geneen Roth
(7:14) Being present and attentive
(10:17) Transference, countertransference, and awareness of your triggers
(10:50) Strategic use of silence
(12:55) The art and science of psychotherapy
(17:07) The importance of doing your own work as a therapist
(17:58) Developing Guidelines and Competencies for the Training of Psychedelic Therapists, by Janis Phelps
(18:16) Empathetic abiding presence
(19:25) Trust enhancement
(23:50) Spiritual intelligence
(27:15) Knowledge of the physical and psychological affects of psychedelics
(31:30) Therapist self-awareness and ethical integrity
(34:04) Proficiency in complementary techniques
(35:34) The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide, by James Fadiman and infectious energy
(39:25) Patience, compassion, and intuition
(41:00) The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on The Tibetan Book of the Dead, by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, and Richard Alpert

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